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CURB AND GUTTER MARKINGS
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Source：Internet Author：Unknow Pubdate：2008-05-21
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BIRDIEBOB (Materials)
11 Jun 07 13:26
THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE SIMPLE BUT i CANNOT FIND INFO ON SPECIFIC RECS FOR COLORS AND PLACEMENT FOR MARKINGS.
IF i USE YELLOW ON THE LOW TRAFFIC CURBS, RED ON EMERGENCU AREAS, BLUE FOR THE ada....ANYONE KNOW A REFERENCE OR LIFE SAFETY CODE REC FOR THIS ?
THANKS
BOBMCALISTER@GMAIL.COM
ACtrafficengr (Civil/Environme)
11 Jun 07 15:13
Assuming you are in the US, curb markings are addressed in the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov, Chapter 3). This is a federal regulation, and must be followed on all roads open to public travel. Your state may have additional regulations - check with your state DOT Traffic Engineering & Safety office to be sure.
It states Quote:Standard: Where curbs are marked, the colors shall conform to the general principles of markings.
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This means that you can only use yellow to the left of traffic - on medians or on the left side of one-way roads. You can't use yellow paint to mark no-parking zones on the right side of the road. Markings to the right of traffic, or if traffic travels on both sides of an island, must be white.
It goes on to say, Quote:Option:
Local highway agencies may prescribe special colors for curb markings to supplement standard signs for
parking regulation.
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Use of blue or red markings are not covered by the Manual.
I hope this helps! "...students of traffic are beginning to realize the false economy of mechanically controlled traffic, and hand work by trained officers will again prevail." - Wm. Phelps Eno, ca. 1928
"I'm searching for the questions, so my answers will make sense." - Stephen Brust
BIRDIEBOB (Materials)
11 Jun 07 15:42
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thank you for such a timely ,informative response.
so, in the case of a drive in restaurant...a al Wendy's...
the markings on the curbs would be dictated by the traffic flow with all perimeter curbs on the site must be white..
now, how about the markings on the handicap 'ramp' entrance and curbs around the entrances/exits? ( I know I am pushing here, but now that I found the well, I want to drink deeply ! )
thanks for you
peter111 (Civil/Environme)
11 Jun 07 23:13
A drive in restaurant is likely to be private land and therefore not the Public Highway. Therefore legally the position is not the same. Certainly the Police or other public traffic enforcers cannot operate on private land.
However I make a plea for all private developers with privately owned access roads, please mark and sign the roads in accordance with the national rules otherwise drivers become confused.
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ACtrafficengr (Civil/Environme)
12 Jun 07 7:42
Actually, the new regulations state that the MUTCD applies if a facility is open to the public, so, yes, parking lots must now conform to the MUTCD. However, it will be up to code enforcement, not police or highway departments, to enforce.
I wonder if anyone has bothered to tell them?
I think FHWA's position on ADA markings is you can use blue to supplement white markings. "...students of traffic are beginning to realize the false economy of mechanically controlled traffic, and hand work by trained officers will again prevail." - Wm. Phelps Eno, ca. 1928
"I'm searching for the questions, so my answers will make sense." - Stephen Brust
ACtrafficengr (Civil/Environme)
12 Jun 07 8:07
Here's the text from the Federal Register Quote:``Open to Public Travel'' 字串2
The FHWA is revising the language in 23 CFR 655.603(a) to clarify that, for the purpose of MUTCD applicability, the phrase ``open to public travel'' includes toll roads and roads within shopping centers, parking lots, airports, sports arenas, and other similar business and recreation facilities that are privately owned but where the public is allowed to travel without access restrictions. Military bases and other gated properties where access is restricted and private railroad grade crossings are not included in the term ``open to public travel.''
and
Quote:The FHWA does not believe it is necessary for State and/or local highway agencies to have specific authority or enforcement responsibility for traffic control devices on private roads. This change to 23 CFR part 655 does not require State or local agencies to police the private properties open to public travel to ensure compliance with the MUTCD. However, this change does make it clear that private roads open to public travel are subject to the same traffic control standards as public streets and highways. Therefore, owners or parties responsible for such private roads are encouraged to bring the traffic control devices into compliance with the MUTCD and other applicable State Manuals.
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http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2006_register&docid=fr14de06-6.pdf
"...students of traffic are beginning to realize the false economy of mechanically controlled traffic, and hand work by trained officers will again prevail." - Wm. Phelps Eno, ca. 1928
"I'm searching for the questions, so my answers will make sense." - Stephen Brust
BIRDIEBOB (Materials)
29 Jun 07 15:37
well..
thinking that is some powerful stuff you guys have given me.
can you tell me ...what would be the title of the individual responsible for parking lot compliance with large organizations...like McDonalds ?
and
what liability issues are eliminated or reduced by proper markings and striping of the lots.
thanks
again
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teeman (Civil/Environme)
29 Jun 07 17:00
I am not a lawyer.
Based on my readings in the area of tort liability as it relates to engineering, adherence to an accepted design standard provides some protection from charges of negligence. Not meeting a standard is considered prima facie evidence of negligence.
In general that means you can deviate from a standard, but your reasons for not meeting it better be sound and well documented.
BIRDIEBOB (Materials)
3 Jul 07 13:15
thanks yall...
now after all that, what is the penalty for non compliance...on any of this ...
not just the parking areas but, should a CITY not be in complieance.
have discovered this is a gray area of responsibility as to the color schemes, BUT not to the importance of HIGHlighting any area of elevation change of 1/4 inch or more... 字串9
some one told me that was in the life safety code somewhere...
would appreciate any input ...thanks
ACtrafficengr (Civil/Environme)
5 Jul 07 8:02
If an abrupt elevation change is on an "accessable route" - a route intended to by passable by wheelchair users, it could be an ADA violation.
Quote:4.5.2 Changes in Level. Changes in level up to 1/4 in (6 mm) may be vertical and without edge treatment (see Fig. 7(c) ). Changes in level between 1/4 in and 1/2 in (6 mm and 13 mm) shall be beveled with a slope no greater than 1:2 (see Fig. 7(d) ). Changes in level greater than 1/2 in (13 mm) shall be accomplished by means of a ramp
http://www.access-board.gov/adaag/html/adaag.htm#4.5
I couldn't find anything about marking such elevation changes, except curb ramps (which should be flush) and escalator treads. It must be in a different regulation. "...students of traffic are beginning to realize the false economy of mechanically controlled traffic, and hand work by trained officers will again prevail." - Wm. Phelps Eno, ca. 1928 字串3
"I'm searching for the questions, so my answers will make sense." - Stephen Brust
BIRDIEBOB (Materials)
10 Jul 07 19:48
thanks again for all the information ...perhaps I can push one mor etime and not get thrown over the wall...
I have seen areas of elevation change as low as 1/2 inch marked for repairs and /or replacement prior to been appropriately marked with color. and have seen areas of curbing around the perimeter of the retailer's lot painted white or even yellow...( I now know that yellow is inappropriate)...
so ...on a technical side, is there in existence to anyone's knowlege , an acutal reference to corrrecting a condition like I have described.
and
are the perimeter curbs painted 'just for the heck of it'...or does the same FHWA refernced earlier apply.
I am negotiating with a large corporation for supplying them the appropriate materials and dont want to leve any turn unstoned.... 字串3
thanks yall
roncity (Civil/Environme)
17 Jul 07 17:31
Also check with the local Fire Marshal or City uilding Code Office.
Some City's require special curb markings for fire lanes on private property...
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